Showing posts with label chromosomes. Show all posts
Showing posts with label chromosomes. Show all posts

Saturday, April 3, 2010

Transfer complete

So, out of our 23 fertilized eggs, 20 were viable for PGD testing on Thursday. Of those, 14 were abnormal. Kind of disheartening... I think III was really bummed to hear that. He said "No wonder we haven't been getting pregnant...." I reminded him that percentage of chromosomally normal embryos is a crap shoot, and that, on average, a "normal" couple still has 40-50% abnormal. I know he feels responsible because he has the translocation, but it's not like it's his fault, and there's no telling whether we other problems that they just don't have the means to diagnose in 2010.

Anyway. They transferred 3- 2 blasts and one expanded blast. The other three they will keep an eye on to see how they progress, and then see if any of them are high enough quality to freeze.

My beta is on Monday, April 12 and my post op is a week later.

Friday, February 26, 2010

I apologize in advance for this totally lame post...

One of the things that has bothered me in the past about ICLW is when I try to comment on blogs and people who have signed up don't post all week.

But here I am, not great about posting this ICLW week.

I have a whole story about something that happened with III this week, but I just don't have the energy right now.

So I thought I'd link to some important me stuff from past posts for anyone who is interested.

The story of my best girl.

The worst week of my life- when I lost my hard fought pregnancy and my sweet girl.

How I met my DH.

All about anxiety
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The long explanation of our whole chromosomal thingy.

So there are a couple for now... :)

Oh, and I want to add a shout out for The R House blog and Mrs. R's giveaway. :) If you've ever considered adopting, you must check out her blog- amazing family with an amazing story- and amazing adoption advocates!

Wednesday, December 23, 2009

Today's lesson is brought to you by X, Y, and the number two.

When I first found out about III's chromosome inversion, but before we saw the doctor, I went to goo.gle to try to find either information or others who had discussed in their blogs a similar situation. It's such a technical thing... so it was hard to find anything, or when I did I didn't understand it. So, one of the things I've been wanting to do is to give some more technical information about our inversion as I understand it so that if there are others who have a similar situation, they are able to get some info from our situation.

My disclaimer is that I am not a scientist; I am not a doctor. What I have posted here is a combination of what I remember the geneticist sharing with us, what she sent in her letter to my RE, and what I've found myself on goo.gle based on what she told us. Don't take my information as "the word". All I can tell you is what is true, based on my own elementary understanding, in our situation.

My first goo.gle search, before our genetic counseling session, resulted in this find. It is written for the layperson, so I found it helpful and informative:

PGD for patients that are carriers of chromosomal translocations

This is another rare situation in which a couple knows that one of them has a chromosomal arrangement called a balanced translocation. When someone (the husband or the wife) has a balanced chromosomal translocation they are normal - until they try to have a child. When their chromosomes join with those of their partner in the fertilized egg they make a high percentage of chromosomally abnormal embryos.

These embryos are at very high risk for miscarriage or could result in the birth of a child with birth defects. This is another situation where PGD can help. By having IVF and PGD, they can have chromosomally normal embryos transferred (if there are any) - greatly reducing their risk for miscarriage and birth defects.

PGD for aneuploidy screening (PGS) - checking the chromosomes (because they are having IVF and the wife is 38 or older, or because of multiple previous IVF failures)

Background: Human eggs are often chromosomally abnormal - and the percentage of eggs with a chromosomal abnormality increases with increasing female age. In general, it seems that about 25-40% of human embryos have some type of chromosomal abnormality. This increases to about 50% and higher as women approach or exceed age 40.

Theory: By testing the chromosomes of the embryos available for transfer, we can discard all embryos with abnormal chromosomal arrangements and pick the embryo(s) for transfer to the wife's uterus from those demonstrating normal chromosomes. This is fascinating technology, and the theory is logical as well. However, the data from studies on pregnancy outcomes after PGD testing of chromosomal normality does not appear to show any clear benefit at this time.PGD for aneuploidy is often referred to as preimplantation genetic screening, or PGS (instead of diagnosis).

http://www.advancedfertility.com/preimplantation_genetic_diagnosis.htm

III has an inversion, also called a "chromosomal translocation"*, of his chromosome 2. It is at the spot p23,q23. I don't really understand what that means- just that it's the location on the chromosome. It is a "pericentric inversion" which means it includes the center part of the chromosome (our geneticist called it the "waist"). So basically what that means is that part of the chromosome is flipped over.

During "meiosis" (the process which creates the sperm), each chromosome pair actually lines up and exchanges genes from one to the other. (So one half of the ch.2 exchanges genes with it's matching half.) Then they separate and one goes to one sperm, and the other goes to another sperm. When they line up, if there is an inversion, the chromosomes can loop around allowing the crossover to be balanced. There is also the possibility of an unbalanced crossover if they do not line up correctly.

The geneticist showed us a very basic picture of what that means. The first is what a normal person's chromosomes would look like- except I've drawn in red lines where the inversion might occur. The second picture is with the inversion. The last two are examples of what could result during meiosis.
Each person has 23 pairs of chromosomes. Through the process of conception, a potential fetus gets one chromosome from each pair from each parents. (The s.ex chromosomes are an easy explanation of this- a baby gets one of the mother's two x chromosomes, and then either the father's x chromosome or his y chromosome, determining what gender the baby will be.) III's translocation only affects one of the chromosomes in the 2nd pair.

Some good things:
  • Of III's pair of chromosome 2, one is normal. The process by which the pair is distributed to his sperm (each sperm carries one of each pair of each chromosome) is totally random. So it is possible to have sperm that are unaffected by the inversion.
  • Our geneticist told us III's is "rather large" inversion. The larger the section that is inverted, the more able it is to correct itself during conception.
  • Through the non-inverted ch.2 and through an inverted ch.2 that corrects itself during alignment (I don't know if that's the correct term), we could have a totally normal embryo.

Some negatives:
  • If an embryo is affected by the inversion, it could result in a miscarriage, in a baby with birth defects (though the severity is unpredictable), or it may not implant at all.
  • With "natural fertilization" there may be a lower incidence of having an embryo affected by the inversion since the sperm would likely be slower/less efficient swimmers. Since we have fertilization issues (possibly caused by the inversion), we have to do ICSI, increasing the chances of an embryo being affected.

Below is more information I found through Dr. Goo.gle. It's pretty technical, but explains the occurrence of the chromosome "fixing" itself and has a pretty good picture of that.
Inversions involve two chromosomal breaks and rejoining, with the broken piece reincorporated in the opposite orientation from which it naturally occurs. When they include the centromere, they are called pericentric inversions... inversions arise in mitotic cells. If they arise in precursors of the gametes, they may produce abnormal genomes as they progress through meiosis. Recombination between homologous chromosomes is a necessary part of every normal meiosis. The probability for nondisjunction is greatly increased if there is no recombination. However, recombination between a chromosome with an inversion and its normal homolog may result in two abnormal chromosomes being produced. ...four different gametic products are produced, one normal, one has the inversion, and two have duplicated portions and deleted portions. The effect on the phenotype is almost always deleterious, but the magnitude of the effect depends upon the size of the duplications and deletions, and where they occur.
http://www.uic.edu/classes/bms/bms655/lesson10.html

This picture from the above link shows the meiosis process and the different ways the pairs can crossover.

Another, more technical, picture.

I hope this information is useful, or at least interesting, to someone. We have decided to use PGD, and feel our clinic is experienced in this process. Clearly, I'll keep you all updated about how it goes. ;)

*ETA: After reading Julia's post on balanced translocation and then doing a little goo.gle research myself, I wanted to clarify. While the geneticist used the term "chromosomal translocation", much of what is on the internet describes something different than what has happened with us. III's inversion only involves one chromosome, as opposed to a "reciprocal translocation" or a "Robertsonian translocations". In each of those, there are 2 different chromosomes involved. III's translocation is within only one chromosome.


Wednesday, December 9, 2009

Seeking PGD experience

I'd love to hear from/read about others who have experience with PGD- especially around chromosomal issues. If you'd like to share, or if you have a blog where you documented your experience, you can comment below or email me at the address on my profile.

Thanks. :)

Monday, December 7, 2009

We didn't really learn anything new today at the geneticist's.

I want to go into more detail eventually, especially since I had trouble finding any info or others' stories on the internet when we first heard.

But right now I'm too busy feeling sorry for myself.

Friday, December 4, 2009

Appointments made

Yesterday at 11am I called Dr. N's office again. When C answered, I said "Look, I don't want to be a pest..." she apologized that it was taking so long, told me that Dr. N had looked at my file and put it on C's chair, but had not left instructions about what to do. ARGH. She promised me a call back by the end of the day.

On which she followed through. I have an appointment for Monday afternoon. Now that it's set up, I'm really scared about what she will tell us....

I then called Dr. Z's office. When we were given the referral, Dr. Z's nurse told me that when we had an appointment set up with Dr. N, to call and make an appointment to see Dr. Z and that it could even be on the same day. When I called to talk to Dr. Z's AA, she told me that he's in Asia for another week. *sigh* So I have an appointment with him on the tenth.

What that means in the immediacy is that, regardless of what we are told on Monday, it is unlikely we will be cycling until January. I anticipate CD1 to fall on or around the sixth. (Which I'm hoping is contributing to my dark mood... Yay PMS.) If we have to do a fresh cycle, we will probably be too far into the cycle to start BCP when we see Dr. Z. Since I don't know how the timing works for a frozen cycle, I don't know if we will be within an appropriate amount of time to do that, but I'm feeling it is very unlikely that they are going to tell us we are "all set" and can just keep going like we've been going.

I probably should feel positive about the fact that Dr. Z ordered this testing after my first m/c, instead of waiting to see if it was going to end up being an ongoing problem. But I'm having a hard time feeling positive about anything lately.

Wednesday, December 2, 2009

seeking more input...

Thanks for your suggestions yesterday. Much of that is the same as what I do. The hard thing is that there is usually an 8-9 hour work day to get through before I can do any of those things!!! I guess it's a one-foot-in-front-of-the-other time for me right now.

I'm interested in hearing your take on our current situation around our next step in our process. III is pissed off. I'm frustrated and nervous, but feel like it just goes with the territory.

Here's the run down:

8/09- positive beta after IVF#2 (though ICSI #1)
9/09- m/c at 8w
11/9/09- 3 day bloodwork + recurrent m/c bloodwork (though I've only had one)
11/11/09- sonohystogram: all clear
11/24/09- Attend appt with Dr. Z who hands us copies of our blood work results, which show normal for me and an inverted chromosome 2 for III. Tells us that we have to see a genetic specialist before we can proceed. Hands us the card for the specialist, who is in a different office, though right around the corner.
11/25/09- 10:15am- call specialist, am told I need to talk to the dr's secretary, C, who is on the phone and she'll call me back. 1:10pm- still haven't gotten a call and am leaving to go out of town for the holiday, so I call again. C's on the phone again, so the person I speak to takes a basic history and says I'll get a call back. 2:15pm- C calls to tell me they need all of the bloodwork results faxed to then from my RE, and then the dr has to look at it to "see if she can help" us and then C will call me to set up an appointment. 2:20pm- I call Dr. Z's nurse, who tells me she'll immediately print it out and send it to them.
11/26-29/09- Thanksgiving weekend. Everyone is closed.
11/30/09- I call and miraculously get to talk directly to C. I ask if they received my paperwork. She says "What's your name again... um, I think we did... um... yeah, I'm pretty sure we did. Yes, I gave it to Dr. N. She'll look it over and then I'll be calling you to set up an appointment."
12/1/09- no call. Pissed off III.
12/2/09- no call. Frustrated me.

What do you think? Is this reasonable? Could Dr. Z's office have done things differently? (<---III's opinion=yes) What should I expect from Dr. N's office? How long should this take-how long should I wait? When should I call again? This is the first time III has really reacted to any situation we've encountered, which is interesting. I'm definitely in a blue place, which lowers my expectations and hope. I'm just trying to get some perspective... lay it on me!

Monday, November 30, 2009

Hodge Podge

I spent the holiday weekend with other people's babies. My sister's son, who is adorable. I wasn't sure how I'd feel about being with him (my sister and I have very different viewpoints on many things, including child rearing) but it was lots of fun. I loved being the auntie who could spoil him and play with him and then hand him off to his mom. :)

I also visited with one of my very closest friends from high school. He and I have a complicated history, but we have kept in touch and are still important to each other. III and I spent an afternoon with him, his wife, and their 2 kids. His two year old son LOVED III. It was fun to watch them play together. I left with mixed feelings. I loved seeing III with the little boy and so it made me ache (once again) for one of our own. I also miss my friend, though at the same time our relationship continues to be... hmmm. It's not really something I can put into words. Maybe another time.

Before we left on Wednesday, I called the office of the genetic counselor. III and I are both frustrated by this process already. We had to make an appointment to go in on Tuesday and be told there was a problem with which my RE can't help us and be handed a card. I called on Wednesday to be told by her office that my RE needed to fax all the bloodwork over so that she could look at it and determine whether she could help us. (Whether??? If she can't, then what??) So I called my RE and they faxed it right over, but then Thursday was Thanksgiving and they weren't open on Friday... I haven't heard from them today. I am contemplating being a pest and calling again today. I just want to get this taken care of. I tried to do a little Dr. Goo.gle research, but it is hard because this is so specific to the chromosome that is affected. I found something that said the inversion of chromosome 2 can cause miscarriage in 30% of the cases, but 1) I don't know if that's when the man has that inversion or just the woman and 2) I don't know if it makes a difference where the inversion is. Whatever happens, I'll definitely post more on it so others who find themselves in the same boat can possible find it in their own goo.gle searches.

Finally... I apologize because I haven't been reading blogs as diligently as I used to. I started this to find women who could sympathize with my situation because of their own experiences, but now I'm finding two things... either I'm so overwhelmed with my own situation that I have nothing left for others' trials with this beast, or others' successes leave me feeling discouraged and hopeless. :( I'm definitely at a point in this process where I no longer know what to do to even help myself.